The DA blames Slipknot.
Sunday, 31 August 2008, at 13:34Well, not quite. But the Democratic Alliance’s Dianne Barnard made a call that is not unlike the religious right-wing’s recent irrational attack on Slipknot; she blamed Deputy Safety And Security Minister, Susan Shabangu, for cops accidentally shooting the wrong people.
Susan Shabangu made headlines when she told the police to “shoot the bastards”; a sentiment with which I agree.
The shooting of an Alberton couple, apparently mistaken for robbers by police, was the direct result of Deputy Safety and Security Minister Susan Shabangu’s “idiotic instruction” to police this year to “shoot the bastards”, DA spokesperson Dianne Kohler Barnard said on Saturday.
“She has encouraged our SA Police Service members to shoot first and to determine the facts later. The critical injury of the couple lies directly at the door of the deputy minister,” she said.
(From here.)
Barnard has a screw loose; she is shifting the blame away from the responsible individuals, who, in this case, are the incompetent officers in question.
The hullabaloo surrounding Shabangu’s chirp has been sensationalised by general society. Because, unless you are an idiot, you know exactly who “the bastards” are.
If an armed robber breaks into my home, then he is “a bastard”. If an AK-47-wielding hijacker steals my car, then he is “a bastard”. If a psychopath is caught raping a little girl, then he is “a bastard”.
This is not rocket science.
Shabangu is obviously not suggesting that the cops must run riot. But these kinds of violent crimes dominate South Africa’s daily statistics, and should be handicapped.
But like I said, the individuals - in this respect, the police - must act responsibly. They are given firearms for a reason: to protect the innocent. Not lace them with lead. And if the SAPS is unable to provide that buffer, then it should be disbanded or privatised. (Both notions, of which, I am strongly in favour.)
The point is that Susan Shabangu’s speech did not make cops fire at the wrong people any more than heavy metal music made Morne Harmse stab someone with a sword.
Sunday, 31 August 2008, at 21:36
Ah, just another case of blame shifting, i guess those protecting the criminals dont like the fact that their clients could be shot (at).
I am sure this is not the first time this has happened, but now people can make an issue out of it ….
Everything and Anything for some sensationalism and publicity!
Monday, 1 September 2008, at 08:28
Of course there isn’t and of course you are right! It seems that blind stupidity is a disease that afflicts only politicians.
Must have something to do with abject laziness and self enrichgment
Monday, 1 September 2008, at 08:36
Shame the poor DA, being taken out of context again. Bloody idiots, so lets blame Susan Shabangu for the deeds of a couple of coppers who want to be famous for taking out a few whities
Monday, 1 September 2008, at 18:49
There are a number of reasons why I don’t vote…
The DA has plenty to pick on when it comes to the current government - but this is just clutching at straws.
Go Susan Go!
Unfortunately, the rest of the government doesn’t share her sentiments as they are only interested in stealing whatever they can get their grubby little hands on.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 09:28
Typical of the DA.. opportunistic opposition.. just serves to deprive us of a credible opposition.. wonder if people who always blame others have the capability to govern..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 09:32
And the current government never blames anyone
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 09:36
here we go again.. are you defending the DA.. i never mentioned the govt and will never have a sparring match with you white woman..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 09:37
Racist attack sours rugby win..
tell me again that im just stirring the racism pot..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 09:43
Swart…
In order to have a credible opposition, you need a credible government, which we don’t have - not even close.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 09:49
well the devil we know (govt) is better than the devil we don’t know (the DA)
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 09:58
Better the devil you know, Swart?
So, you admit that that’s what they are?
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 10:03
better than what we knew before (white govt).. so our devil is better than the devil we had.. given that we are wary of the devil we don’t know (DA)..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 10:25
Getting a bit tongue-tied there it seems Swart?
I’ve never seen a racist attempt to back-peddle that fast.
Quite funny, actually.
The DA has no aspirations to be the government - all they want to do is keep the current government in check since it’s clear they (the ANC) are failing miserably. Public education is a joke, corruption is rampant etc. In fact, currently, there is not one government departent that operates efficiently. I mean really, they can’t even get their people into 3 and 4 room houses that they promised them 14 years ago! It’s all just a struggle to steal as much as they can.
That’s why there is such drama with the ANC at the moment - those that didn’t get to steal billions are very angry with those that did - they want their piece of the pie and they will do anything to get it.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 10:37
you need some education.. you see we blacks don’t really care much about politics.. who is stealing what from whom.. long as we get what we want from the govt, we are all happy.. we leave the rest to Political Analysts..
The DA need to learn that 2.. they just can’t figure out how we keep voting the ANC to power.. they need the answer to that.. well 50 000 more policemen is not what the black electorate want.. blacks want to move out of poverty.. and grants is not what they want.. but assistance to start their own business.. and the ANC govt is scoring in that regard.. 100%.. Corruption and Crime are white issues.. don’t affect us..
I will start looking at the ANC is a bad light once i got to the DTI and they tell me that the money set aside to assist black companies has dried up.. before them.. im content..
keep on whining.. 
thats the only thing you got.. confined to the opposition benches..
Dont give me the crap about the DA, every party want to be in POWER.. how can they put 50 000 blues on the beat if they not in the Union Buildings..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 10:54
Swart,
I knew you were dumb, but I had no idea your stupidity went to such an extent. Blacks are not getting what they need from the current government - if they were, there wouldn’t be all the protests about service delivery. Please tell me who got a loan from the ANC to start a business. And if they did, how successful is that business? You see, the facts show that 4 our of 5 black owned businesses fail. Just ask Richard Maponya and the owners of the Soweto Mall.
Of course corruption affects blacks - corruption is exactly why there is a lack of service delivery! Corruption is why they aren’t in houses. Corruption is why they can’t get their ID books. Corruption is why the Limpopo University is failing. Corruption is why crime is rampant. Corruption is why there is no decent public transport system. Corruption is why there is not decent electricity supply. Corrution is why there is no decent health care.
I don’t know which blacks you think you are representing, but it certainly isn’t the man in the street, who is definitely NOT getting what he needs from THIS government.
Your attempt to imply that most honest black people aren’t fed up with crime would be laughed at by most of the citizens of this country (black or white).
You are living in a fool’s paradise. Perhaps when one of your kids under the age of 5 is raped, then you will change your attitude.
It’s people like you that keep this country from being the great nation it should be.
You’re as pathetic as your arguements.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:00
Phew - all riled up, are we little Swart mannie? Or would you prefer “man little” or “little man” or “madoda’tjie” (if you are one, that is - if not, you are not even a man yet) - tut tut tut, what to call you ?
Five whole comments and you still didn’t get to the point! You are just like the government - eel slippery ….
Clearly you “slipped” through the education system too
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:04
Andrew - the mannie is getting nervous which is why he is making such silly little comments. He realises he is completely outnumbered and really not quite bright enough to argue on this forum.
Actually, he argues like most of his ilk.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:09
i managed to get Jacoba show her racist colors..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:10
just like your ilk
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:17
2 Hours ago peter mukheli wrote :
If racist white people to not change their behavior,they are going to make it difficult for us black african to trust any of then,even those who are good. White poelpe need to remember that many of us(Black africans) we are very suspicios about them and extremely sceptical about their commitment to the new South Africa. They need to know that we are watching them very carefully and observing these racist incident at Universities and Rugby games. It is very important that they consider this things very carefully ,becouse one day black african will loose their patience. We know that not all white are racist,but the problem is the difficulty in identify the whose racist . This changes have to happen before ,before peolpe revolt.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:18
I see you are not going to respond to the facts I stated Swart.
Haven’t you got any lies or propaganda to contradict them?
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:22
Heheeh - clearly you don’t know what the word “ilk” means little man.
It means “of the same place, territorial designation, or name.” Primarily, in modern day English it serves to refer to people of the same kind thus being used for loose groupings as in “state of mind, cultural behaviour, purchasing behaviours and so forth. In more sociological terms then, hysterical groups, criminal bands and cults…”
Does that help? Or are the words too big for you? Clearly, you cannot understand english too well otherwise you would answer my questions. So that’s it then - you are not yet a madoda and I will treat you as such.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:25
I don’t know who Peter Mukheli is Swart, but his grammar and spelling are atrocious.
Again, I am waiting for your response on the lack of service delivery.
You haven’t responded because you can’t, simple as that.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:29
Madoda.. nice try.. is Indoda.. white trash
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:30
He won’t Andrew, he never does. Just like our beloved members of parliament when we ask them questions, they never seem to get the answers right because they never answer the questions.
I can only put it down to lies (which apparently they don’t, according to our little Swart man) and when we catch them out they run around singing the bring me my machine gun song, blaming whites for everything and the white christmas - all so that they can take time off work OR
they slipped through the education system and really can’t.
And our government does have the odd white person - I include them here. You see Marthinus lately??
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:31
Thinking that speaking a native language exonerates you from being a racist..
@AndrewL.. what service delivery.. you read too much from the DA propaganda.. go to the townships.. construction work everywhere..
Don’t tell me you don’t see any developments on the highways too.. Give credit where is due.. your time will come soon..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:33
@Jacoba.. does knowing English make you a better person.. Im sotho so im i supposed to spell right.. can you speak Sotho.. of cos not.. should i judge your intellect based on that.. shame white woman..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:40
DA propaganda caused the Khutsong debacle? Did they also arrange the protests in the Eastern Cape where the schools don’t even have desks? Why don’t the schools have desks?
You are not only a fool, but a liar too.
The houses were supposed to be built by now Swart - the construction sites were supposed to be LONG gone.
VIVA, I say, VIVA!
I dare you to respond to the rest of what I said about lack of service in healthcare, education, transport etc. Is that the whites’ fault too?
Again I say it, you’re pathetic. Instead of blaming whites for everything, get off your lazy ass and do something to make this country what it should be. I know I am doing my part.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 11:41
Madoda is Xhosa, Swart. I spoke Xhosa and Afrikaans before I learnt to speak English which I had to because I went to an English school.
White Trash? Is that me? Are you going to be like the other one of your ilk that was asked to graze elsewhere shortly after he suggested he send a band of his friends to rape me? I think that is akin to inciting violence or hatred …. something like that, don’t you?
We must be very grateful to FIFA and the French for assisting us so greatly in this major roadbuilding initiative. We would have had a real transport crisis if something didn’t happen soon. We should be darned grateful to Mbeki for having the foresight to pull that one off. He did get the French here, after all.
Now if he could only get someone in to help with all the construction disasters everywhere - half built homes, major major problems with homes that people have already moved into because the homes are falling to pieces. Really bad state affairs - whilst we can be very grateful to the foreigners that are pouring in their money to help build houses here, that is not nearly enough and we should all do what we can to help those less fortunate. I have paid for two homes so far, how many have you in your life time? And I am not referring to those for yourself or your family.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 12:16
Madoda is plural.. Indoda is singular.. lol..
The govt is bulding.. why be grateful to FIFA.. has the french loaned our govt the money.. given the way you talk about politicians stealing from the national coffers one wonders if there is still money left to do the roadbuilding..
Again Jacoba, since when did you start caring about blacks welfare.. you hypocrite… blacks don’t need those houses, they need to be able to build their own.. like apartheid enable you to do same..
Shame on you and your ilk..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 12:18
ya whites did their part too.. where are they now.. hanging their heads in shame everytime there is a Mandela Birthday party.. if you whites made this country better, why aint you being acknowledged..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 12:44
Acknowledgement is for publicity seeking politicians. We did what we did because it was right for the good of the people we worked with.
I hold my head up proudly when I see the many things being done today that can make this country proud.
The shame comes seeing the many instances of corruption and abuse of power that some unfortunately increasingly powerful politicians are practicing.
The shame comes when I see that racism is alive and being practiced by those new generations for whose freedom we fought.
The sadness is this disappointment Swart
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 12:45
You know, little Swart man, you should never say things to people unless you are very very sure of your facts. It is unwise and silly to say things to people or, even worse, accuse them of actions if you really know nothing about them. Be kind to yourself and learn first, talk later.
Fifa, for insisting - French for assisting with large scale loans, advice help of the Greenpoint stadium, Germans for Durband …. and so on. As I said, find out all the facts - every single one so that you really know what you are talking about. Then talk.
You are right, there was no money left for the roadbuilding - they it was loaned to us. Lots of it via the French.
I have always cared about the welfare of any child, be it black, pink, white, yellow - I don’t care about the colour … but I do about the child. I always have and I always will - the only motivation I had to build the houses, were the kids inside. Similarly the other projects.
There is only one Mandela in the world and he, most certainly, is not of your ilk. Frankly, the London birthday bash was not organised, paid for or intitiated by any one of your ilk either.
Understand the word better now, little man?
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 13:13
Thanks Grey!
We did the best we could under our circumstances and often that meant being shunned by our friends, sitting alone at playground, not in the cool kids groups at varsity and living with constantly bursting into tears whenever I saw so much injustice.
I was a young 19 year old living in Germany and pregnant with my first little angel on 16 June 1976 and to this day I can never forget the horror I felt. I sat nailed to the television and even after it was put off ever so kindly by her daddy to be, I sat there sobbing. It was then that I knew it was the beginning of the end but that little relief did nothing for that particular pain. It took another 18 years and settling in yet another country before it was really over and I could come back here. That joy and relief has been so short lived.
And if Swart is a product of that relief - then I am deeply saddened because now I have another dilemma. Do I take little E…. out of this country and take her somewhere else where I know she will live a life of unbiased peace, decent education and decent medical care or do I subject her to this? To this, her country, but murder and mayhem and people like Swart who will try to harm her?
See my problem? How will she feel if she reads that I am referred to as White Trash? I am a woman, Grey - if I had to listen to someone call my mother that it would really kill me.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 13:50
2 Hours ago Itshaba wrote :
I’ve been reading the comments on this forum and the majority of them seem to either insinuate that the incident was fabricated by the lady involved - or imbeciles seem to want to detract attention from this incident by making stupid statemnts such as “grw up”. Unfortunately people, it’s a race thing. As long white people don’t condemn this incident and try to shift the blame or justify it in their warped minds, it’ll continue happening. Do the math - in a country where around 80% of the population are disenfranchised and don’t have any significant economic power, and are there because of what 5% of the population decided, you don’t want situations like these. No apology from a credible white spookespersion on behalf of whites/Afrikaners. So where’s Solidarity now? They were silent about the Reitz hostel incident, silent about the Waterkloof four and they are silent about this incident. Yet they don’t want white people discriminated against? Black people’s patience and spirit of forgiveness only goes so far. In fact, that’s probably the reason why white people still continue to have a superiority complex - forgiveness came too easily from people they had denigrated for decades and treated as sub-human. If whites continue to be unapologetic, arrogant and racist as they are, you can count on a civil war very soon. And i think we know which side will come very short.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 13:52
our patience is really running low.. here are views from fellow blacks regarding the rugby incident.. just wait till most of us get enough resources.. im personally starting a small army to get rid of the racists once a for all.. fed up
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 14:10
hahahahahahahahahahaha! Haven’t been following this thread, but can see that Swarts providing entertainment again…
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 14:19
I have but Swart’jie has come up with something new again! I can’t keep track - not since I asked him, albeit in a not so nice way, whether he had been to initiation school yet. I think he should go. Will do him the world of good.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 14:32
Judy.. lets see who will have the last laugh.. i just the revolt comes before im become too old to pick up my machine guy..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 14:37
Hehe - do you want to say that again sweetie? Is that the new version of a blow up doll? So you can just stand there and be really lazy?
0- heheheeeeeee
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 14:39
Swart the incident at Coca Cola Park on Saturday is a disgusting example of the racism that remains. But we gain nothing from extending it as you are with your posts here.
I know that you have been subjected to some racism in the past but you keep on putting out your neck for more with your inflammatory remarks here.
Fortunately those rugby supporters are a very small minority of the country I live in - so I want them dealt with too. The longer they go on with their shit the longer I see you failing to pick up the challenge of building a new powerful non-racial South Africa that we endured the struggle for.
Your words to Jacoba are as insulting on a racist level to her as were those of those boors to Ms Shibango. No real men behave in this way.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 14:50
@Grey.. its easy to point a finger at a black man than point one at your white ‘lady’.. just read 33.. is that one a Proudly SA will say bout her country.. Proud that it cannot afford doing roadwork.. failing to see the good of the country..
Blacks can run a country.. get over it.. If wishes were horses..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 14:51
I must reiterate my opinion on Swarts post, no good comes from taking them seriously…
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 14:53
My argument around the rule of this country all boils down to one thing - government failure. The current government treats the masses (that voted for them) almost as badly as the apartheid government did - Khutsong is a classic example.
Another example is the HIV debacle. Swart, how proud you must be to vote for murderers like Thabo Mbeki and Manto Babelas Msimang.
Do you think African potatos, beetroot and garlic cure AIDS? If so, you confirm how stupid you really are.
And, by their actions they are murdering THEIR OWN PEOPLE - race isn’t even an issue. Just shows how much respect the current government has for your ilk, Swart. I would hang my head in shame for supporting them if I were you.
I didn’t support the apartheid government because they were murderers too - what’s your excuse?
And no Swart, I am not expecting a response to all my points above from you because you are a ball-less coward.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 14:59
Come on Swart!! Is that machine guy of yours a motorized version of the blow up doll?????????? Don’t hold me in suspense!
And at what age is young whipper snapper like you too old to pick one up?
Finally, are they heavy or can one order them in boxes like play station?
Your little arguments bore me now, but this idea could make us rich!!!
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:07
AndrewL speak for yourself man.. we like the govt thats why we voted for them.. Don’t insult us by comparing our govt to yours..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:10
Swart I would like to join you in taking racism on wherever it exists.
My main agenda is to see this country peaceful and prosperous.
That also means we need to take on corruption crime inefficency incompetence and political chicanery again wherever it exists. I dont see it as purifying any one party or group.
I’ve asked before that we join to stamp out everything thats wrong - not white nor black but WRONG
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:10
Oh yeah Swart, you have many shining examples of this:
I’ll list them for you:
Zimbabwe - hugely successful under black rule for 28 years. Only thing is government has to murder and chop people’s hands and feet off to get them to comply with their wishes.
Equatorial Guinea - only has a population of 1 million people, has some of the largest oil reserves in Africa, yet its people live in abject poverty while their leader lives in a palace.
DRC - everyone there is fighting over the resources - not white people, but blacks. Mugabe even owns several mines in the country - now isn’t that a shining example on their CV?
Botswana - 40% of the population is HIV positive - a roaring success they are. In fact, if it weren’t for the white-run De Beers, they would be starving too. And, look at how they treat the Bushmen - and you have the cheek to say that blacks aren’t racist.
I could go on and on, but won’t.
Again, I don’t expect a response from you Swart - you don’t have the balls for real debate, only hate.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:14
If wishes were horses?
What the hell does that mean - is it a little expression you made up all by yourself?
I think you are getting confused with either:
Only Fools and Horses (a British TV show, but nothing to do with what you are saying)
or
If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride.
Do you even know what it means?
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:15
if you could get off your rich white ass and visit the people who put the govt to power.. you will be surprised.. we getting rich because of the govt.. today we can drive fancy cars and live wherever we want, so don’t speak like the DA.. visit the DTI, SEDA, Umsobovu and ask about programmes in place to help blacks, you will be surprised..
in my case, the Umsobovu paid for my website, business plan, and 3 months office rent to get me started.. after my company was a year old the DTI gave me R100k grant.. not loan to print my promotional materials.. look at my company now.. now thats what i call service delivery..
The govt is taking care of blacks who get up and start doing something about their plight.. we say NO to grants and RDP houses.. so don’t blame the govt for not giving people handouts..
the govt doesn’t want that, and we don’t want that too! so get your facts right white boy.. we are taking back the country one yard at a time.. Patience is a virtue..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:16
@Jacoba.. save whatever is left of your credibility.. you WT
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:18
@AndrewL.. you forgot to mention Apartheid South Africa,,, Mugabe was just emulating PW Botha..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:18
Swart, you only vote for the ANC because there is no decent black opposition, because people of your ilk are incapable of forming one.
If you like taking it up the bum without Vasaline, then go for it, keep voting for them - it certainly won’t make life for the man in the street better - of that you can rest assured.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:19
3 Hours ago Anonymous wrote :
being black in south africa is a burden, the fact that people doubt this incident happened is a disgrace and justifies “racist” BEE and affirmative action policies. if youre not tolerated at a rugby match how will you ever get a job or enter the (white dominated/collusion infested) S.A business world. I am sure that the security footage will vindicate her. how much of this dehumanising abuse will we take, i’d like to see those 3 drunken apes go to central hillbrow and run their mouths there. And the fact that a woman was attacked seems not to be a problem, not even for the detractors on this page - yet funnily enought they allude to (black) rapists. Imagine if this was a white woman who was assaulted by Black men - it would be headlines and the bigots would be going on an on about the old days…… Common human deceny is the heart of the matter!!!! To those who dont want to accept non-whites as humans F@CK OFF were tired off this. No way in hell my children will ever suffer the humiliation me, my parents and forefathers did, I’d rather kill/die than take this sh!t again!!!!! Funny thing about rugby -its an English mans game loved by Afrikaaners!!!!
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:21
read 50 again AndrewL.. ashamed?
im not a member of the ANC.. im just a supporter that makes me a man on the street..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:23
So I take it then, Swart, that you’re one of the lucky ones? Seeing as how you consider yourself to be in the “elite” group of black people that don’t want/need RDP houses. Get over yourself already! It’s quite obvious to me that you a special type of racist all on your own – you only consider successful black people as being worthy of government help.
Yes, some people (not just black, people from all races) are too damn lazy to help themselves, but some people have genuine needs. I take it they’re also not worthy…
*sigh* I let him make me post something serious…
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:25
Swart, if this is the case, how could PW have been wrong and Mugabe be right in his actions? Also, PW had nothing to do with the instigation of apartheid - just because you can bullshit your ilk into believing that doesn’t make it true. Get your facts right dude before you start sprouting hate speech.
You don’t even have the balls to say what Mugabe has done is criminally insane - he basically stole a whole country, and had murdered countless thousands to keep it.
Oh, and by the way, Apartheid has been dead for 14 years - did you miss that while in cloud cuckoo land?
Also, I am not rich - I don’t own a house and Wesbank owns my car - don’t assume things about me when you don’t have the foggiest idea what you are talking about.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:35
Apartheid will be dead only after the last person born before 1994 is dead..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:36
Swart, you just contradicted yourself in the very SAME post. Mad up your mind, or are you too dumb for that?
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:38
So which is it Swart, are you giving the R100k back, or did you slip it into your back pocket like the people you vote for do?
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:40
Swart would attack anyone he is scared of - it is a natural human reaction and he feels he is backed up into a corner.
You won’t get anywhere - he wants attention and this is the only way he gets it. His m/o:
Incite, wait for reaction, incite - run back a bit to lick a wound or two, heal a bit and zip out again to incite - remind you of something? There is no argument there - just enough noise to irritate and irk - like a fly around an elephant (or flies around a fish braai in Cape Town)
If we blatantly ignore him - he’ll run along, tail between the legs. You see, this way, he can get attention from those not really too bright and in that way he feels good about himself and tells himself that he’s needed.
By his mommy.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:41
So Swart, are you saying that we still live under the Apartheid system?
News to me, that is.
I think your beloved, corrupt ANC would LOVE you for saying that!
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:43
@Judy.. don’t put words in my mouth (or should i say fingertips), instead of opting for a RDP house (govt gives those to lazy people), i decided that i deserve better.. my parents were made poor by a barbaric regime, what will be my excuse.. so i went to govt, cap in hand and told them about the business idea i had, they did the rest..
what im saying is the govt is committed to helping every black person in SA but can’t go around knocking on every shack and hauling those whitewashed blacks into a better life.. the govt does not have to provide for people, its responsibility lies in making the environment conducive to business.. we can’t blame the govt for everything.. we blacks are not into whining..
you blame the govt for AIDS.. is it the govt that encourages people to have unprotected sex.. Our health minister can’t be there on your night of passion to ensure that you are using a condom..
if i pick up a gun now and blows Jacoba’s brains off.. will you blame the govt..
stop looking for blame at every corner.. sit on your white ass and watch pay tv..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:45
With the machine guy?
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:46
I’ll tell you what Swart, let’s see what you are really made of - here’s a challenge:
Respond to ALL of my negative points about the current government instead of sprouting hate - then we’ll see if you are a real man.
At this stage, and by your example, I truly doubt that you are anything but a gutless wimp of a coward.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:51
4 Hours ago Anonymous wrote :
Hah Isn’t typical of my fellow cream white country men to rubbish everything when it’s their fault.Am sorry sis that u had 2 b in d stadium full of whites and if I was there,I would have stoodup for u, probably busted a few noses 2 but I don’t support white oriented sports because they don’t support our Black oriented sport(Soccer). Mother #@4^#$ would rather support their English brothers than 2 b cin watching SAfrican football.Next time,make sure ur husband is there and b sure to carry a pepper spray in your purse.Eye for an Eye my sister, Am sick and tired and No, this Is Not Their Country… It Never Was and It Will Never Bee! Amandla!
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:51
Im an optimist.. i never waste time on the negative..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:52
4 Hours ago Proudly South African wrote :
They said Thabo Mbeki messed up the country, what an irony. I think they meant to say we wanted Thabo Mbeki to mess up the country so that it becomes likes Zimbabwe. Its to be in South Africa for the Lord is watching over those who trust in wherther in SA or Austrilia.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 15:57
I knew you wouldn’t have the balls Swart - you are a very sad gutless man.
You have certainly wasted a lot of time on this site with your negativity. Would you like examples?
Or, you can just remain the lier that you are.
This is just ONE of your many lies.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 16:02
I don’t understand the above sentence Swart, it makes no sense at all - please explain it to me using your pearls of infinite wisdom.
You certainly have a big ego Swart. If your dick is as big, then you could blow yourself. Now THAT would be impressive. Oh, wait, you can and do, all the time.
I’m in awe.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 16:04
@AndrewL.. do you see how many blacks are out are getting fed up with your attitude..?
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 16:05
I got this from your site Swart. The reason blacks are ‘excluded’ as you put it is because they exclude themselves.
Fact: 4 out of 5 black run businesses end up bankrupt - why is that, can you tell me?
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 16:07
5 Hours ago Anonymous wrote :
I personally think as black people we should stop being so passive. It is this submissive attitude that makes these racists think they are superior. Black people are are still living in squatter camps because they decided not to be hostile, they are still working for white masters and still raising white kids, still living in poverty, still receiving second grade education and health and still being treated like this. We as black people have been to tolerant to an extent that its seen as weakness. We have bent over backwards to make this country work. Everyone gets pushed to far, I do not want to see the day when the masses revolt and say enough is enough we are taking our dignity back. I remind people of how prepared people were and how high temperatures were when Chris Hani was killed. Everyone gets pushed too far and everyone has limits. Lets stand together to deal swiftly with these racists and ship them to Australia.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 16:09
we should get rid of the Sunset Clause.. if i were white i should be grateful..
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 16:10
Sorry, can you please repeat the question - this is not english and I therefore don’t understand it.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 16:36
just eat the humble pie
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 16:42
Where did I blame the ANC for AIDS? The blame that I lay at their door is the idiotic messages their “esteemed” leaders have sent out to a nation, many members of which are uneducated and take the words of these people as gospel…
Also, do you know everyone that lives/has applied for an RDP house? Stop generalising and twisting every possible detail that you can to glorify yourself. Not all of these people are “lazy”… And you’ve also proved that you’re prejudiced against some of your “own” people – doesn’t that make you a racist?
Denial… such a sad state of affairs.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 18:34
Judy, AndrewL - don’t try. It’s just a noise that writes - honestly, it’s not a man yet, so just ignore or you’ll waste your own energy
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 20:37
You’re quite right Jacoba.
He’s enriched himself at the expense of his own people and never has any decent arguments for solid points that are put to him.
Swart, you are an embarrassment to the black race - and you certainly aren’t their spokesperson.
God help them if you are.
Tuesday, 2 September 2008, at 21:05
Yes, Jacoba, I know… that’s why I constantly beg everyone else to ignore him… couldn’t pass up the opportunity to tell him that he’s prejudiced against hist own people though given the abuse he likes to spew at us “evil whities”.
Wednesday, 3 September 2008, at 11:47
Again no response from Swart to my facts.
I see your name doesn’t seem to appear on your website Swart - why is that?
Swart - I don’t know what it is that makes you so stupid, but it REALLY works!
Gutless wimp. I know 5-year-olds with more courage than you.
Wednesday, 3 September 2008, at 12:37
Baiting each other with agression - Which of them is the Master Baiter? Swart or Andrew?
Thanks Jeremy for the reworded frustration release button
Wednesday, 3 September 2008, at 12:44
Grey Roger…
I think anyone who says they aren’t a Master Baiter is not being truthful - I think that would include yourself.
I’m certainly not embarrassed to admit it…
Wednesday, 3 September 2008, at 13:21
We could have really good discussions with informed commentary - let’s just leave Swart out of it - all he does is rile us and we diminish ourselves as humans if we allow it.
I am most guilty of that, simply because he irritates ……. and it’s so tempting when somebody is so openly hostile to me. I should hang my head in shame.
Grey, which one is the frustration release button? Help!
Wednesday, 3 September 2008, at 13:57
Jacoba when Jeremy changed the format from Urban Trash to JeremyNell.com he changed the ‘moer it’ to ’send it’. Even today the current poll asked ‘make your vote’ till about 10.30 when we were again allowed to release the frustration and ‘moer it’
Wednesday, 3 September 2008, at 14:29
Andrew we all have been down that road but as time passes you realise that building relationships is far more productive than the wham bam of self gratification or opponent bashing - and can be even more satisfying if you get results
Wednesday, 3 September 2008, at 15:26
Aaah, I see - thanks so much.
Andrew - I actually agree with Grey. I do, however, understand fully how Swart (and our friendly neighberhood cock, the Rooster) can irk you. The thing is, grovelling in the mud with him simply gives him pleasure. He can’t understand anything you say anyway …….. and I do think he has delusions of grandeur - female instinct, call it what you like.
I hope the time comes, soon enough, where we can all sit together at one table and talk to one another. I’ll cook - I’ll volunteer!!
Friday, 5 September 2008, at 12:38
@Grey,, you must have drank kaffir beer.. the button is still ‘moer it’
Friday, 5 September 2008, at 13:31
Swart… if you read Grey’s comment, you will see that it changed from ‘moer it’ to ’send it ‘ when the site moved. He then changed it back to ‘moer it’.
Your attempt at humour is rather weak - rather stick to spreading hate about whites, you do that so well.
Oh wait, actually, you don’t.
I bet you don’t even know either the origins or what the word ‘kaffir’ actually means.
Just to enlighten you…
“Kaffir - an Islamic term usually translated as ‘unbeliever’ similar to the Christian word ‘pagan’ or Hebrew word ‘koffer’.”